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Author: steve_parsons Subject: Some simple things to watch out for

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Registered: 12-03-2002

posted on 12-03-2002 at 20:58 Reply With Quote Report Post to Moderator
Some simple things to watch out for

We have come up with a list of 10 ways that, if followed, will help protect you from unethical women and/or agencies. The following information is of a general nature, based on our experience and client comments, and is not intended to describe any one particular agency.

1. Use caution with sites/agencies that allow you to post your profile on-line and receive E-mails from apparently interested women, which you must then pay for in order to open. We have received numerous complaints about these types of services. Generally, the services typically work with many smaller Russian/Ukrainian agencies that are normally paid a fee for each E-mail that is opened, and each E-mail sent. Many of the complaining clients claim that the inherent problem with such sites is the built in motivation for the men to open as many letters as possible from the women, the more letters that are opened the more money that these smaller agencies will make. We have had complaints that agencies would send women’s letters to men, without the woman’s permission, simply to collect the extra commissions. In some cases the agency itself may simply be writing the letters and sending them out to hundreds of different men, hoping for responses. We suggest that, prior to ever using such a service, you call the main agency and ask what safeguards, if any, they have in place to assure you of the legitimacy of the letters and photos being sent from the smaller foreign agencies. You should also insist on the woman's personal contact information, i.e. home address and/or telephone number, after the very first contact so you are not forced to continue paying for each correspondence.

2. You should always beware of any unsolicited E-mails you receive, even if you have posted your profile information on-line with one or more of the services discussed in #1 above. Keep in mind that the vast majority of foreign women in the FSU, Latin America, etc. are not surfing the Internet with a laptop and DSL connection in their home! Most of the women do not have access or have very limited access to the Internet. In the West we want everything instantly, and we want our communication with these women to be instant, a fact which unethical companies can use to their advantage.

3. Beware of women who will not disclose their personal information to you, either address, E-mail, or phone number. Normally they are corresponding through an agency and, for whatever reason, will not disclose their contact info. This usually means that the man must pay for each contact that is made.

4. Beware of women who come on very strong in their first one or two letters, telling you that they love you, want to come see you, etc. etc. Although international dating tends to progress faster than domestic dating, an "I Love You" within the first letter or two may spell trouble.

5. Beware of women who ask for money for any reason whatsoever. You should immediately report these women to the agency. The amount may seem very small, however she may be requesting that same amount from 20 to 100 people.

6. Beware of women who want you to travel, and pay for them to travel, to a neutral place right away to meet them.

7. Beware of women who tell you that they can obtain a tourist visa. They may say they can obtain the visa for a certain amount of money and ask you to send the money (see#6)

8. Beware of women to whom you are writing that seem unavailable to meet you face to face when you are ready to travel. The excuse given might be something to do with some personal matter, a sudden illness of a family member, or numerous emergency scenarios.

9. When dealing with agencies, check their BBB report, ask for references, and ask how much media attention the company has had. These are all good ways to determine if the agency is legitimate.

10. Trust your instincts. One of the main reasons that a small fraction of women and agencies are able to operate unethically is that many men ignore the warning signs. It's not that they are stupid or particularly naďve; it is because they truly want to believe in what the woman is saying. Whenever there are emotions involved there is a greater risk of fraud. Those emotions can range from love, sorrow, greed, etc, etc. Unfortunately, there are and always will be predators who are willing to capitalize on people who are experiencing one or more of those emotions.

We hope this list has helped, and has given you some insight into some possible problems. Remember, the vast majority of women are sincere and really searching for someone special with whom they can share their life. Please do not look at every foreign woman or every agency with a jaundiced eye. Just keep the points we mentioned above in mind and you should have no problem avoiding unethical women and or agencies. If you have any questions, or experiences of your own that you would like to share, please e-mail us at

View User's Profile E-Mail User User's Site View All Replies By John (only searches replies by default, for topics please run another search) U2U Member

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Registered: 06-01-2003
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posted on 06-02-2003 at 01:09 Reply With Quote Report Post to Moderator
Better Buisiness Beauru is a SCAM

TextText:mad:Don't trust anything you read by the the BBB...a member must pay to join that is all, if you complain they may revoke the paid membership to the beauru but thats the extent of the hand slap on the wrist. The Postmaster General or FCC have more jurisdiction than the BBB.
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posted on 06-10-2005 at 07:29 Reply With Quote Report Post to Moderator
Good Advice . . .

This is generally good advice. However, I do agree that the BBB may be of little use for a foreign internet based organization. Many of the dishonest web based Russian women dating sites open under a new name after building up a tarnished reputation. One measure of crediblity is how long the website has been in existance. Take even this with a grain of salt.
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posted on 11-30-2007 at 03:06 Reply With Quote Report Post to Moderator
Good advice

All good advice fellas. The only thing i might add is beware of course of any "generic" correspondences (like the posts above mine! lol) If they say something like "I saw your profile and am interested to meet you..." without anything SPECIFIC about your profile, BEWARE! hehe

Honestly, there are good agencies and bad ones, and good FSU ladies and bad ones, sometimes they work together sometimes independently. In other words, just because you're working with a good agency, don't assume the woman is good. And don't assume a woman is bad because you met her through a bad agency. Remember, sometimes these ladies scam the agencies also! :o

My story is too long for a post, most of my personal triumphs & tribulations i've blogged about at EuropePUA , but basically I live in Slovakia now and would be happy to correspond with any of you who might need advice on finding FSU's - believe me, the actual finding of them can be a dream or a nightmare, depending on how well equipped you are for the hunt.

Anyway, good luck to you guys....and keep the posts coming! :D
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